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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.08 09:06:00 -
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Kai'rae Saarkus wrote:4.5 is a rational integer. So what happens in that case?
4 is integer.
5 is integer.
4.5 isn't integer. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.09 12:50:00 -
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nikon56 wrote:actually, it's impossible to kill a rorqual unless the pilot screw up, it will stock to the pos and voila.
What?
Next time you're in game: try to move or warp with sieged capital (Rorqual's deployed mode works just like siege mode for dreads)... |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.09 16:25:00 -
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Ribikoka wrote:Drakes with 2x shield extenders +3x CDFE rigs has ~21400 shield (fitteable to HAM) 96.5K EHP
Your Drake is overtanked. If you really want to compare that to something compare it to dual plate Prophecy.
Replace one of the LSEs with something more useful like a target painter. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.10 19:48:00 -
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Uthgaard wrote:That statement about receiving multiple racial bc/dest to V. It was missing from his explanation. You have to make a pretty heavy assumption to get there from the two examples he gave: the two examples make it look like you would only get one.
"if you could fly it before, you will be able to do so after the change"
For me that's as clear as it can be.
Just in case I'm currently training for all command ships and dictors (3 races to go). Mostly because currently I don't have anything better to train. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.11 09:22:00 -
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Undeadenemy wrote:No one is getting free skills. The racial cruiser/frigate skill is required to INJECT the racial destroyer/battlecruiser skillbooks, it IS NOT required to actually fly the destroyer/battlecruiser. The check for required skills occurs at the time the skill is injected, so if you have not injected battlecruiser/destroyer at the time of the change, you will instead have 8 different skills to inject to be able to fly all of the ships.
This. I'll add these:
To fly: Racial Cruiser level doesn't matter as long as you have Racial Battlecruiser trained to level 1 or higher
To inject Racial Battlecruiser skill: Racial Cruiser level 4 is required
To train Racial Battlecruiser skill: Racial Cruiser level 4 is required |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.14 11:43:00 -
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Akturous wrote:I like the cmd ship and tech 3 changes. Pritty please with super sweet molasses on top can you give them both the damn cpu to actually fit t2 links without 500 Estamels co-procs? If your making the field cmd ships into combat vessels, does this mean they'll lose a lot of tank? or just have less dps than what are now the fleet cmd ships? Cause the former would suck.
You got field and fleet command mixed there.
Currently
Field: more damage, less tank, no bonus to warfare links
Fleet: less damage, more tank, bonus to warfare links
What I understand is that they are removing this and making both ships viable for both roles:
- If you choose to fit for boosts, you will lose on damage output (much like currentl fleet command ships)
- If you choose to fit for damage output, you will be limited on boosting capabilities (much like current field command ships) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.16 12:02:00 -
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Maru Sha wrote: I guess you fear that people start complaining if they could fly all battlecruisers on highest level before the patch and then will only be able to do so for either one race or after some dedicated training time for other races, too. But isn't that the point? Force people to make decisions and make them work/train for it?
Since I can fly Abso and Damnation I would have to put all BC skillpoints to Amarr BC. What the heck I do with my Myrm, Drake, Cyclone and Cane? Sell? I can see your point but idea behind it is flawed. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:46:00 -
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Maru Sha wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Since I can fly Abso and Damnation I would have to put all BC skillpoints to Amarr BC. What the heck I do with my Myrm, Drake, Cyclone and Cane? Sell? I can see your point but idea behind it is flawed.
Well, train for it, of course, and keep the ships in your hangar until then (or sell, give to a friend, reprocess, burn before patch day, ...). If the requirements remain the same it will take you (rule of thumb with non-optimized attributes; might have missed requirment changes, sorry) tier 1 (aka Cyclone)  40min tier 2 (aka Hurricane) 3h tier 3 (aka Tornado) 4d tier 5 (aka command ships) 23d The only ones that have to invest quite some time are those who fly command ships of all 4 races. It will take them time until they get there again, but I'm very sure they will do so if they think it's worth it. In the meantime they could use their favourite race command ship with the relocated skillpoints mentioned in my earlier post.
That's the problem...
Currently I'm in process of training skills for all T2 cruisers and frigates.
So I'm basicly wasting time now to fly all dictors and command ships and you're suggesting that I should spend more time training after the change? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.20 21:45:00 -
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rekina wrote:With link nerf - I somewhat agree that links were overpowered. The idea of only being ongrid, however, is going to kill those small gang pvpers. When enemies have better T2 battlecruiser link in their fleet with enough dps, tankle, logi, ecm while small gang likely have only dps without link because you simply don't have enough people to let them fly a link ship for compensate a dps - you are only encouraging a pvp of numbers.
How is that T3 in safespot going to contribute to dps?
Would that be better to have that T3 on grid if you don't have enough ships to begin with? |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.24 12:42:00 -
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Mocam wrote:I'm Down wrote:In terms of the massive skill point increase for people who have all 4 cruiser and all 4 frigs at 5... Have you considered those of us who intentionally stopped just short of the next expensive ass clone? This is going to put us well over the cap. Or are the clone cost reduction changes going ahead with this patch.
If not, I'm going to be pretty pissed that I have to pay way more for every clone in the future and possibly forget to upgrade my clone (speaking for others here).
And just to give it a seperate line, how will clone upgrades be affected by this change. How many people do you think will go over their current clone limit, only to lose it pretty early w/o noticing and then lose some 80 day lvl 5 skill?
This sounds like a nightmare in the making. Odd thought on some of this that just hit me... What if... What if CCP were able to give the skills but no SP? Just stuffs the new skills in if you have the prerequisites but without any skill point changes at all -- just 4-8 new skills at the appropriate levels.
So, Destroyers 5 -> 4x Racial Destroyer 4 and Battlecruisers 5 -> 4x Racial Battlecruiser 4? No thanks. |
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.24 22:09:00 -
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Mocam wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Mocam wrote:I'm Down wrote:In terms of the massive skill point increase for people who have all 4 cruiser and all 4 frigs at 5... Have you considered those of us who intentionally stopped just short of the next expensive ass clone? This is going to put us well over the cap. Or are the clone cost reduction changes going ahead with this patch.
If not, I'm going to be pretty pissed that I have to pay way more for every clone in the future and possibly forget to upgrade my clone (speaking for others here).
And just to give it a seperate line, how will clone upgrades be affected by this change. How many people do you think will go over their current clone limit, only to lose it pretty early w/o noticing and then lose some 80 day lvl 5 skill?
This sounds like a nightmare in the making. Odd thought on some of this that just hit me... What if... What if CCP were able to give the skills but no SP? Just stuffs the new skills in if you have the prerequisites but without any skill point changes at all -- just 4-8 new skills at the appropriate levels. So, Destroyers 5 -> 4x Racial Destroyer 4 and Battlecruisers 5 -> 4x Racial Battlecruiser 4? No thanks. No - it would be the same system they have. If you qualify by having the skills, you get the new ones. The difference being how many players are going "you get up to almost 7 million SP from this." - no SP adjustment (as the person I replied to is concerned about). Instead, all you would get are the replacement skills - with no SP adjustment (example: I have both at 5 -- 4 new skills each = 8 "replacement" skills for the 2 being removed. With some suggested opinions on this, I'd go from my 67 mill SP to 74 mill. Instead, my SP doesn't change, just the number of skills I have goes up: From 242 to 248 -- minus 2, + 8 = 6 increase). -- no "free SP" from this.
BC5 is 1536000 SP
1536000 / 4 = 384000
BC4 is 271000 SP
So I would get all racial battlecruisers at level 4.
But instead they would remove:
384000 - 271000 = 113000 SP
113000 * 4
= 452000 SP
The problem here is that BC5 is kinda needed if you want to put skill Command Ships to your skill queue.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.25 10:54:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:I (now) get what he means.
You just set the skill levels. You don't set the SP level higher. So you still have all the BCs at 5, but there's a disparity between how many skillpoints you have, and how many you /should/ have, if you add everything up.
Not sure it's a good idea, as it makes the dba in me cringe. But I guess it might work.
So, I would have a rank 6 skill at level 5 with only 384000 SP?
I can see what you guys want. 
Every time you lose T3 you lose SP. This would allow you to keep subsystem skills at level 5.
So, again: no thanks. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2012.11.26 04:17:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:But no no, you just keep wasting time on skill trees that have little to no impact on the game in positive manner... that really makes players pay you salaries.
Training for command ships and interdictors gets faster (a lot faster for command ships). |
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